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1. 32 Responses to “Transcript: “Amnesty” for “Illegals””

2. Amnesty is the answer, there was no sign or borders when irish, german, italians, engilish immigrants came here the indians welcomed the immigrants. Why should it be any different now I was born in mexico came her when i was 4 and I am studying to be a nurse I will be helping save lives. I came here illegally. My indian ancestor were here before any europan immigrants came here what if we would have made them criminals when they came here. You say we should come over her with permisson well what if 50 times the amount of people want to come over how long do they have to wait 50 years. It is ludicrus how they treat us worse than animals. The usa needs immigrants the only reason why they are illegal are the laws if the law change they wont be breaking the law. The unemployment here is only 4.7 % we are not taking jobs away we are helping the ecomony who is going to work 10-12 hours under the blazing sun for less then $5.00 an hour not any body i know. We deserve to give our families the basic necessities food and shelter.

   By Alma on Apr 17, 2006

3. I agree 100% with Claudia Spencer on this interview and also in the press confrence shown by CSPAN yesterday. I am also an American with Hispanic origin but as an American I support the laws of our country and this laws are being laughed on. The immigration issue harms many honest, tax-paying Americans and I dont support the boycott protest held by other hispanics. Let me know if there’s any way I can help with the “You don’t speak for me” campaign.

   Thank you.

   By Camilo Gomez on May 2, 2006

4. Firts off, as an American citizen by birth and born from undocumented immigrants parents I support those trying to come to what is my country and make a better life for themselves and there families. I’m a disguted by those immigrantes who are now citizens and are now bashing people who want the same. It’s funny how the media is only showing one side of the story. In the passed few days and how these country has reacted to immigrants I can actually say that I’m ashamed to be an American.

   By aly on May 2, 2006

5. First of all in yesterdays March, People walked to speak up for themselves and not from Claudia Spencer or any other people who think like her. I think that this is a nation of immigrants, and built by immigrants and mo matter what anyone says it will always be like that. Getting rid of all the ” undocumented immmigrant” will only cause more chaos to this society. People on the American News say only one side of the story, their story. They only focus on how immigrants hurt our society, not how they contribute to the society. Many people have misconception of illegal immigrants using social services, but I think that they give more than what they actually get back. Many immigrant don’t even know about this services and they don’t even think about using them because they know they are illegal and they will not qualify for them. If they came here ilegally is because there was no other better option for them. Many people who live here obey the laws as much as they can, but I bet that if you and your children will be hungry and your young child asks you for food you might be temted to break the law too. Think !!about it . Remember “Maslow Hierarchy of needs” Thanks for reading.

   By Miriam Gonzalez on May 2, 2006

6. It is sad to see that even our own people cannot support their own people. Ask any african american if they supported their own people when Martin Luther King was leading the african americans and other races so that african americans would have the same rights as white people. Sitting in front of the bus if you were black awas also illegal. Had it been for the Claudia Spencers of that time african americans would have no rights because “they should have obeyed the law”. I find it incomprehensible that Claudia Spencer would not understand a mother and/or a father wanting to feed their children at whatever sacrifice they have to make. She probably does not have any children. God has a way to show and test you to see what you would be willing to do to feed, clothe and shelter your family.Or like some of our race thinks that she is high and mighty and above all of us because she has an american last name. Claudia Spencer is mexican until the day she dies and no matter how much she critizes “her own race” for coming to this country to escape the political policies OF BOTH COUNTRIES she is still an immigrant.

   By Judith Chambers on May 3, 2006

7. Claudia Spencer is a disgrace to Americans of Hispanic descent. One could see the hate she has for Mexicans during her speech. As a war veteran that was born in this country, I find that people like Claudia Spencer are being used by the xenophobes to legitimize their hate for Hispanics.

   She should be ashamed of herself.

   By Carlos Fierro on May 5, 2006

8. claudia spencer gave her butt to become an american citizen
   thats the “legal” way how she came here. she should keep her mouth close.

   By jack on May 10, 2006

9. I am an American, born, raised and educated here, and my husband was born in Mexico, but became a legal resident at the age of 6. He too was educated here and we live in a coastal area where there is much agriculture. We both found the remarks made by Claudia Spencer, particularly the ones seen on C-Span, to be extremely condescending and racist. Mr. Fierro (above) is right, it was hatred, and sadly it was manifested towards Ms. Spencer’s own birthplace and their (her) people. I suspect that Ms. Spencer has a bone to pick, but it may be one of a more personal nature.

   I listened to about 40 members of our family discuss this issue in my backyard yesterday, in both Spanish and English, and this is not an issue of right or wrong, as seems to be Ms. Spencer’s main arguement. This is an issue about love, dedication, family, money, hard work, the past, the future and the American dream… Among our family members there were at least three generations, most legal residents and/or citizens, but not all, which I imagine makes up most Mexican/American families. Everyone seemed to agree on one thing; immigration reform is necessary and overdue, but it should be well thought out, and not a bad law passed on impulse.

   I consider myself “lucky” to have been born and raised in this country. I do not feel better than. I am no better than. I am “just” an American.

   By Maria Rodriguez on May 15, 2006

10. I am an American who happens to be of Mexican descent. Both my parents are Mexican (mother born in U.S., father in Mexico). The way I look at this issue, America is my country and I have no stake in Mexico. The issue of illegal entrants to this country is not about what is good for Mexico, but should be what is good for our country. It is to Mexico’s advantage to have its poor, sickly, uneducated and its criminal element leave the country for America, and to have it deal with their problem. It should not be up to America to keep the lid on Mexico’s potential unrest. Mexico is a very rich country but the corruption that exists does not allow it to develop into an industrial one. The Mexican government does not have an interest in providing its citizens with opportunities, and as I see it, the opportunity they are provided with is for Vicente Fox to negotiate with our country to allow Mexico to export its people. Mexicans should uprise and insist their government provide work and opportunities. I believe the marchers made a wrong turn and should have been marching in Mexico and elsewhere. May I remind all of you of the fact that illegal entries are not just made by Mexican Nationals. They come from all over the world. America allows LEGAL immigration in the millions, per year, more so than all other countries in the world put together. Let’s continue to welcome those who do it legally and by this approach we protect our country. Furthermore, there is only one flag recognized in this country and that is the Red, White and Blue. If anyone wants to fly their country’s flag, fly it back in your own country.

    By Dolores Aguirre Johnston on May 17, 2006

11. And to ALY, if you are ashamed to be an American, the beauty of this country is that you are free to leave.

    By Dolores Aguirre Johnston on May 17, 2006

12. Claudia Spencer is a disgrace to Americans and Mexicans. Wether she likes it or not she is M-E-X-I-C-A-N! If she acting against her own people she could easily sell USA to the best buyer!!

    By Ana DeAnda on May 17, 2006

13. In reply to Ana DeAnda,
    Being against illegal entrants has nothing to do with being a Mexican American, or not. It has to do with America securing its borders and having the right to expect others to obey the laws of our land. If the rhetoric from your side is only to name call, then you’ve lost the argument. This is our country and we believe that anyone who wants to come to America, to visit or to live here, must go through the process to enter legally and obey our laws. If you don’t, then you suffer the consequences. If you are an employer and want to hire illegals because they are cheap labor, and you support this, then you are no better than those who kept slaves. Furthermore, if you support amnesty, then you also need to support the fair wages that must be paid to them. We are Americans first regardless of race, color, or ethnicity and allowing illegal entrants to remain in this country is not good for America.

    By Dolores Aguirre Johnston on May 17, 2006

14. I entered this site, or blog, or whatever you call it,out of curiosity after watching Claudia Spencer on the Spanish-language CNN News, as I could just not believe what I saw and heard. But after reading some of these posts, including such pitiful ones like Dolores Aguirre’s (people who have no respect, no feeling, for the rich cultural heritage of the country they stem from -even if they were born in the U.S.- and despite the fact that no matter how American they feel they’ll always be looked down at as “greasers” by large segments of the WASP majority)I’m no longer so surprised.
    I agree with one of the posts above: Claudia Spencer is a disgrace, not only to Mexico but also to the U.S. and to humanity.It’s true: had she lived in the States in the ’50s, she’d have advocated for sending back to Africa any black people who had dared to break the law by sitting in the front rows of a bus. And had she legally migrated from her poor cardboard house in Mexico (what a shitty lie; as if we didn’t all know what poor people look like in Mexico!)to Germany in the ’30’s, becoming a German citizen, she would have been on the front row shouting Juden raus!, because the Jews were certainly breaking a lot of Nazi laws, and furthermore many had immigrated illegally from Poland…
    Both Spencer and Aguirre should study a bit of history, perhaps they’ll become wiser. Whitewashing the U.S. of any responsibility on Mexico’s “poorness” (what English, my God!)is as stupid and ignorant as it would be to declare the U.S. has nothing to do with the daily death toll in Iraq. And they should also remember that the areas with the largest “illegal” Mexican population are California, Arizona, New Mwxico and Texas, all of which were Mexican territory until it was robbed by the U.S. in an abusive war (like most of those they provoke; the only time they fought an equally powerful enemy, was against Grenada)Do Spencer & Co.think (if they do at all)that these historical background may possibly have anything to do with the present-day problem?
    I think it wouldn’t be a bad idea to repeat the May 1st boycott, but this time for a whole week. Then they’d see whether “illegals” are needed or not in God’s own country.
    Good night.

    By stepalenko on May 18, 2006

15. How disingenuous of Stepalenko and those of other similar posts to compare the illegal immigration issue to that of the 50s and 60s African American plight. I don’t think the majority of the African Americans would appreciate it. If you cannot see the difference then it’s hopeless. However, in reply to Stepalenko, it is my understanding from your post that we should ignore the Gadsden Purchase and return the land to Mexico. I would agree if this would take care of the illegal entrant situation–it would not. But, let’s say it would work–that takes care of Mexico. What blame do you put on America for all of the other countries that contribute to the illegal entrant situation? Maybe to you it is fashionable to find fault with our country because the guilt of leaving in a country where the government is by the people is too much to bear. Do you blame Mexico and the other countries for their inhumane treatment of their citizenry, and their corrupt ways, or is it just one sided? Pleeeeeeease!

    By Dolores Aguirre Johnston on May 18, 2006

16. Dolores Aguirre you should read a little bit more!! This is civil rights. Pleople should not have to suffer because of the politics on both countries. Dolores, do you look hispanic? Then you should worry. I borrowed a car with mexican plates when I had car problems, and even thought the law states that you can drive a car with foreign plates for 1 month before changing the license plates I was stopped TWICE once by a Sheriff and another by the border patrol ONLY BECAUSE I HAD MEXICAN PLATES. So unless you look anglo Dolores I would worry. Because you are next. You will be profiled only because you look Hispanic

    By Judith Chambers on May 19, 2006

17. Nobody is “comparing” the immigration question with the centuries-old plight of the Afroamericans. Of course these are different issues, with different historical backgrounds and different socioeconomic and political implications. You don’t have to be a Harvard graduate to understand this. But they have at least one thing in common, and that is the racist approach from a bigotted US government and citizenry -fortunately not all of it- which would indeed be acting different if the migration wave came from Sweden.

    I fail to understand what the Gadsden Purchase’s got to do with all of this, as if that had been the main territorial issue between Mexico and the US. The Gadsden Purchase was the result of one more act of corruption by a highly corrupted Mexican president -Santa Anna- combined of course with the proverbial American greed for land that is not theirs. When the real issue, if you want to see it that way,was the grabbing, by the US of course, of enormous and enormously rich territories after the 1848 war: Nevada, Colorado, California and some more; Texas had already been pilfered some 10 years earlier. But according to that All-American lady Dolores, if those under 30,000 sq.miles from the Gadsden Purchase were to be returned….”that would take care of Mexico” Thank you soooo much!

    Who, according to you, doña Dolores, is “leaving” (sic)in a country “where the Government is by the people”? Are you? If by any chance you are referring to the good old USA, I must tell you that two subsequent Bush elections have taught us otherwise.
    True, we have a lot of corruption in our Latin American countries. And the most corrupt and barbaric regimes always counted with full support from the US governments of the time (Díaz,Trujillo,Somoza,Ydígoras,Perón,Pinochet to mention just a few)who, among other things, loved doing business with them. And if it is corruption that worries you in Latin America, you better start looking into your own patio (after all you’re American, you did tell us, didn’t you?)becaue our modest politicians’ corruption is like a kid’s game when compared to what is going on up there, north of the Rio Grande…. (Remember Enron, DeLay,Rumsfeld, Cheney… you name them)

    Immigration is only illegal to the extent that the US Government and legislative representatives are virtually disabled to face reality. By the time they do, it may be too late. If Latin immigrants are violating the Law, change the law and there’s no more violation. As simple a that. Or is there another reason why you would not like to have them there, considering they are hard-working and tax-paying people, who in addition are not taking anybody’s job away. And also considering the US economy could actually no longer subsist without them! And there are over 11 million of them!!

    Thus, it would be a good idea for you and the like of you, Doloritas (I’m also thinking of that fiendish Spencer girl)to have a deep introspection and try to find out why you hate so much your Mexican co-nationals. Because that’s what they are in the last instance; perhaps you hate yourself precisely for that!
    But let’s allow Freud rest in peace…it’s bedtime for me.

    By stepalenko on May 19, 2006

18. How sad to think that you (Stepalenko, Chambers), are so consumed in dislike and hatred of America, and that you see only doom. We can quible about the Gadsden Purchase, or the responsbilities that you think America has towards Mexico, we’ll never reach a concensus because I like and love my country.Some time during your life, your contempt for America developed and it’s too bad. I believe America has the right to secure its borders,keep illegal entrants out-regardless of what country they come from, and remain a sovereign nation. To answer Judith Chamber’s personal question, if I look Hispanic, well what exactly do you mean? Do you mean if I have dark hair brown eyes, and my skin is brown, the answer is yes. But,I don’t look at people and look at the color of their skin, or hair because there are Mexican, British, Guatemalan, El Salvadoran Nationals who are of African descent–their skin is darker than mine. Then again, there those with green,brown, blue eyes, red hair, blond hair of the same nationalities. So, are you saying that if your skin is brown, you will have trouble, but if you have any other color skin, you won’t? How about Chinese, there are Chinese Mexican Nationals too. Reality is that you are a national of the country you are born in. If you come to American without the proper documentation, you are an illegal entrant. Check out the laws in Mexico about who is a national, who they allow to become a Mexican citizen…and who they allow to enter their country. It is ludicrous to think that being anti illegal entrant is rascist. I lived in Mexico until the age of 15 and I saw more discrimination there than I’ve ever seen in America. Mexico mistreats their poor, brown and black skin, and their Indian population. The Mexican government does not hesitate to gun down students because they protest. Take a look at when you became so anti-American (If you were born in America, you are an American, unless you want to denounce, then feel free to do so and leave the country). It is interesting to note that you two don’t criticize the Mexican government. And, just as an aside, my believes have nothing to do with me being of Mexican descent. I am proud of my Mexican Heritage. I am familiar with the culture, and am fluent in Spanish, reading, writing, and speaking it. I love my family and am very proud of the ones who are still in Mexico and the ones who are in America. But, this has nothing to do with the illegal entrant issue.

    By Dolores Aguirre Johnston on May 19, 2006

19. What a surprise! Now Sra. Dolores Says that she is proud about her Mexican heritage…well, her comments doesn’t reflects that. I can see that she tries to hide all her hate for her mexican co-nationals behind her so called “believes”.
    And getting back to what Judith Chambers wrote…I do think that each time she sees herself on the mirror instead of seeing a mexican woman she really wants to see an anglo woman…her position is very “auto-racista”…
    I know, I know, she will have a reply ready for anyone who doesn’t support her points.

    By Ana DeAnda on May 19, 2006

20. Wow! I wonder who is leading you…I hope some day you will think for yourselves and realize that those who you are listening to have their own agenda–there are leaders and followers, and I believe you are followers. It’s okay to be an American and still be proud of your heritage, what ever it may be. Maybe you wish you had been born in Mexico??? Don’t be afraid of thinking for yourself. The sooner you do this, the more free you’ll feel. Get off the soap box. The way to do it, read and listen to other views. You might learn that the the “Hacendado” was left behind in Mexico and we don’t have to be afraid of the “Anglo”, as you refer to the “white person”. If this isn’t rascist, what is? Don’t be afraid of the “Anglo”. They are just human like us. Maybe you are the one who wants to be an Anglo. I feel comfortable in my own skin.

    By Dolores Aguirre Johnston on May 19, 2006

21. Dolores, you just don’t get it! You are so being defensive that you just don’t get it. During WW2 the Germans justified the persecution of Jews by stating that EVERYTHING was their fault. The economy, the Germans losing WWI, etc. Does it sound familiar or are you so busy with your learned words that you are not willing try to learn? Nowadays, it is the popular item to blame EVERYTHING on illegal immigration specially Mexicans!! It is a sad day when this country of ours blames the same problems that we have had for decades on illegal immigration. Mexicans are not to blame for the problem with the high cost of medical services, but who is it then? How about the policies our country has failed to implement in order to protect all its citizens. Canada does not have that problem. Why should you worry Dolores? Didn’t you read what I wrote? You look mexican!!! You will be racially profiled like I was. Mark my words before the end of this year you will remember me, because it is bound to happen. People like you and Claudia Spencer are raising the level of histeria so high that you are contributing to people’s belief that it is ok to be mean to hispanics, because we are all a bunch of murderers and criminals. I am sorry to say that you also know nothing about civil rights. This also happen to african americans when thwy had no rights and racial profiling was a common thing, with the difference that AFRICAN AMERICANS STUCK TOGETHER!!! They did not have people like you and Claudia Spencer eager to prove their whiteness by siding with whatever was popular on the anglo side. You miss the whole point of being in America. You don’t have to leave the country if you do not agree with the policies our representatives implement you can actually SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT!! Stepalenko, you are one inteligent human being. I agree with your possition and I am sorry to see that Doloritas doesn’t get you.

    By Judith Chambers on May 22, 2006

22. Hello Judith, I’ve ben a bit busy so haven’t had time to continue with these picturesque polemics. But I fully agree with you: Dolores just doesn’t get the point. How about accusing me -us- of being full of hatred and contempt for America (meaning the U.S., because in fact “America” is the whole continent, from Greenland down to Patagonia, including, oh sorrow!, little Cuba, which is also America, whether we like it or not)
    Anyway: no, Dolores, I don’t hate the U.S., which is a great country, and so are many of its people. But that doen’t mean one must just stand and look on quietly at all the stupid , arrogant and barbaric actions of its successive governments, particularly the current one….
    All your angry tirade about how corrupt, racist and repressive the government and part -just part, mind you- of the society are in Mexico (and/or the rest of Latin America) was completely gratuitous. Anybody even superficially well-informed knows this, and I never pretended that Mexico was a paradise in contrast to the U.S. My least intention would be to defend or present as an example such a despicable character as President Fox (who fortunately has his days counted, but if he succeeds with his fiendish machinations, poor Mexico will be even worse off with its next government; let’s hope reason prevails and Lopez Obrador wins the election next July)
    But then, again: is corruption and misgovernment in Mexico and the other Latin countries a reason to mistreat the immigrants and deny them the legalization of their status, as was done for 200 years with the successive immigrant waves from other countries? Is a full-blooded American like Herr Schwarzenegger -with that slight Nazi patina- the right person to deny citizenship and even residence to the descendants of the people who originally inhabited these lands? And if he is the right person, is it correct that Dolores Aguirre, ni más ni menos, follows suite,and also demands that the 11 million “illegal” Mexicans are thrown out, and treated like criminals? Only because unlike Dolores Aguirre they were not born on the right side of the border?
    Finally, I would like to state that arguing all these anti-immigrant policies are necessary for the safekeeping of “America”’s security against terrorism, etc. is, if you’ll pardon my French, a lot of bullshit.

    By stepalenko on May 22, 2006

23. Well, we agree on one thing, Vicente Fox has been a disgrace for Mexico. Never once did I mention Terrorism or the security of America for my support of America exercising its right to remain a sovereign nation. Judith and Stepalenko, you choose to go off on tangents. Reality at this time is that illegal entrants are in America and that America wants to secure its borders, which has the right to do so–and I support it and dismiss your weak arguments for giving amnesty to those who are here illegally, when America welcomes LEGAL IMMIGRATION by the millions.

    There are many American states that have a deficit in their health care because of illegal entrants–look to California and Arizona– (this discussion for another blog). Your (Judith and Stepalenko) distorted ideas of what America should do are biased and muddied. It’s interesting to note, Stepalenko writes …” But that doen’t(sic) mean one must just stand and look on quietly at all the stupid , arrogant and barbaric actions of its successive governments, particularly the current one….”, when this administration (government, of the same political party as the one who provided amnesty to the many illegals that were here in 1986) is the one who is pushing for amnesty. My guess is that you are from the opposite political party and you don’t like this administration, so you lash at it. Do you really know what you think, or do you just write what you are being given as propaganda? Those militants who would like to see their power base grow through the ignorance of the people they are pretending to help are scaring you. Yes, Judith, I will think about you, but not for the reasons you state (racial profiling), but because I would want you to consider the other side of this issue, since a whole lot of Mexicans in America will be the ones to benefit from the stoppage of illegal entrants. As to the Civil Rights issue, don’t compare the African American plight with this issue. As one African American said, they were brought here against their will to serve as slaves, the ones we are talking about now, they came of their own free will. Also, listen to Congresswoman Maxine Waters, of California of the 35th District–she also doesn’t agree with your premise that this illegal entrant issue is comparable to the African American Civil Rights march. Perhaps you wish it were, but it is not.

    Lastly, God help Mexico and America if Lopez Obrador becomes Mexico’s president. He sounds Communist and I for one do not favor a communist thinking individual and I’m sure many Mexicans do not. I like my Bill of Rights and Mexico should have them too. I would think that you two would also like it by your comments.

    By Dolores Aguirre on May 23, 2006

24. Yeah Dolores, Iam sure that you are part of the minuteman aka KKK. wether you came here voluntarily or against your will you still deserve the right to be treated like human beings. I can see that you still need to do a lot of reading about our country. Ulike you I love this country, but I am not blind, if you haven’t realized this Doloritas the fact that you were allowed in this country does not mean that you have to accept all its policies. Can you think for yourself or are you afraid of not being white enough? It’s ok to love this country and disagree with some of its policies. This is civil rights. You can disguise it or deny it in your brain to justify your lack of caring for your compatriots, but it’s still civil rights.By the way I donot want to benefit from “the stoppage of illegal entrants” whatever that means, you are starting to sound like Claudia Spencer. I bet you she will be proud of you.

    By Judith Chambers on May 24, 2006

25. Putting aside what Ms.Chambers and Stepalenko wrote that I fully support. Since there are lots and lots of undocumented people… I’m just curious to know how exactly Dolores would spot in a public place an “illegal” immigrant and what could be her reaction toward them??? I don’t think she would act nicely to somebody who looks “illegal”, Am I Wrong? Along the way could be a lot of mistakes, lots of people could look “illegal” but they are fully legal citizens(and viceversa). And as Dolores wrote “America welcomes LEGAL IMMIGRATION by the millions” My question is how you kind of “minuteman people” can exactly spot and make the right pick between “illegal” and “Not illegal” people.

    And I’m not talking about asking them a SSN on a grocery store or any other public place in order to know if they are entitled to have courtesy and respect from people like you.
    If you go to a Mexican restaurant, have you ever wonder if the Mexican waiter is an “illegal” immigrant in order for you to be nice….forget about this point…you probably don’t go to Mexican restaurants because those may be full of people that you don’t like (”illegal immigrants”).

    Empathy is a great value that some people like you lack of it. What would you do if you were poor and living in Mexico?? You may say that fortunately is not your case either your problem… Put yourself(just once)on their shoes for a moment and think like them…May be too much to ask…too much to ask to a selfish person.

    By Ana DeAnda on May 24, 2006

26. Ana DeAnda. Well said Ana, well said. I am sorry, but Dolores will label you USA hater now.

    By Judith Chambers on May 24, 2006

27. I venture to guess who is feeding you all the garbage you write. Do you really believe what you write, or is it fed to you through the propaganda your being given? By the way, Judith, my name is not Doloritas,it is Dolores. I feel sorry for you because you must live in an awful place to make you feel this way and so you try to verbally attack or insult. Calling me a member of the KKK is absolutely expected and when you have nothing more to add, you resort to insults. It seems you all evaluate people by their color of their skin since you bring up the scenarious. Who are the racists? Frankly, when I go to restaurants I never think of the person who is serving my table as to whether they are Mexicans or not, or legal or illegal. When I go to a Chinese restaurant, it is common to see a Chinese person serving, but sometimes, I see Mexicans. When I go to an Italian restaurant, gees, I don’t know, are they Mexican, Spaniards, or Dominicanos? Don’t know. However, good or bad service, I always leave a 20% tip because it’s a tough job to do. But, white, black, yellow, or “brown”, that’s not even a thought, obviously you do think about it and it wonder. I suggest you examine your own thoughts, people, because you are the ones with the chip on your shoulders. How sad that you all live in such a state of mind and use the type of rhetoric to try to make your point. Your paranoia is taking the best of you. I don’t know about you but I have better things to do than to go back and forth with your types. Good greetings and I hope you study the issue better as it really is burning inside you. Chill.

    By dolores on May 26, 2006

28. Doloritas, now that you make us realize that all we write is garbage, and even that garbage doesn’t come out of our heads but is rather being fed to us (and with “us” I’m referring to the bunch of people in this blog who have dared to disagree with your anti-immigrant positions)I must grab the opportunity to tell you that the other day
    (May 23)you’ve made my day.
    Why? Because you really unmasked yourself, and Judith Chambers’ assertion that you must belong to the KKK, which I initially judged as being too severe, turns out to be just to the point. I say this after reading following statement you made, apparently with the greatest naïveté:

    “Lastly, God help Mexico and America if Lopez Obrador becomes Mexico’s president. He sounds Communist and I for one do not favor a communist thinking individual and I’m sure many Mexicans do not.”

    So, we seem to be back to the good ole’ Joe McCarthy days. It’s not even that the man i s a communist, which of course, per se, should be anybody’s free choice, but it turns out that he “sounds Communist”, and that, of course cannot be tolerated. It is sure that many Mexicans would not favour this, but then there are surely many others who do.
    But all of this is finally just rhetoric for one simple reason: who ever put into your head that López Obrador is, or even sounds communist? It must be the same bright people who’ve filled your head with your prejudiced ideas about immigrants.

    I challenge you, here and now, to let us know about one, just one, act, declaration or statement made by López Obrador during his campaign, during his Mayor of Mexico City term, or at any other time, which could fairly be classified as “communist”.
    I’ll be waiting to read you….

    By stepalenko on May 26, 2006

29. Once again stepalanko you show how bright and well read you are. Doloritas, for your information I am filthy rich and well educated. I worked the fields and I own homes one, the one I live in, It’s worth 2 million dollars. I hadn’t answer bacause I was busy doing working. How did i achieve all this? By being fair, and working really hard. I always treat people with respect regardless of their legal status. People have stories that nobody, nobody has a right to criticize. I have found people like you that with their narrow views only stop the growth of this country and create hatred and animosity. I agree with stepalanko that people like you create a McCarthy like atmosphere. People coming to this country are coming here to work, to better their lives, and they should be given an opportunnity. Now, please tell me what have you done with the gift of being in this country. Are you rich? Do you help other people with tha? I know the answer. I do. I help and I want people to at least be given an opportunity .

    By Judith Chambers on Jun 6, 2006

30. well I respect all and every opinion, but this world was made
    for all of us and not just for the USA this country is powerful
    cause of the hard working people that came here before us
    This nation in other words is made out of pure immigrants and
    why are we judging those that only come to work, and nothing
    else. We should look at the real criminals and leave this people
    alone. Look in other words put all these people together those
    that cant have a voice and work and leave all that money behind why doesnt the gov say anything about that. thanks
    kip floyd

    By Kip on Feb 5, 2007

31. Claudia Garcia Spencer is a vice chair for an organization called You Don’t Speak for Me, which purports to speak for the “silent majority” of American Hispanics who oppose illegal immigration. This organization is now running half-page ads in the North County Times (San Diego County), featuring a photo of Ms. Garcia Spencer along with copy that reads “… 85% of Hispanics are against increased immigration of ANY kind [my caps], and 57% want immigration reduced.”

    According to the ad, the source of these statistics is a poll sponsored by the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), an organization that distinguishes between native-born Americans and immigrants, often without regard for immigrants’ legal status. For example, a report on the CIS website states that immigration—all immigration–adversely affects job prospects for native-born Americans.

    The poll cited in the You Don’t Speak for Me ad is available on the CIS website, and the allegedly neutral questions are fully loaded. One question reads: “There are currently 37 million legal and illegal immigrants living in the United States and 1.5 million new legal and illegal immigrants settle in the country each year, not including those allowed in on a long term temporary basis. Putting aside the legal status for a moment, do you think the number of immigrants entering is: (a) too high, (b) too low, or (c) about right?”

    The current You Don’t Speak for Me ads were paid for by the You Don’t Speak for Me Coalition and by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), an organization with ties to the Council of Conservative Citizens, a documented white supremacist group.

    But the plot further thickens. Ms. Garcia Spencer entered the US legally as a mail order bride. (She advertised for American husband in a magazine.) The man she chose, Mike Spencer, founded the Vista Citizens’ Brigade, a group that works alongside the San Diego Minutemen (SDMM), and SDMM’s “antics” are well documented on a website called “Minutemen Unvarnished” (www.minutemenunvarnished.com). If the pro-immigrant activists don’t speak for her, is it possibly because her husband does?

    By Charlotte on Feb 28, 2007

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